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| Fred 5/08/2008 17:29:26 IP: 219.89.59.119 |
 Subject: The REAL truth........!Message: Borrowed from another thread but it needs one on its own I think. After spending a full lifetime living, working, socializing ect with blacks in SA this just about sums up how I feel and truthfully what they REALY are !!! "I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you." - Dr. Albert Schweitzer | |
| Fred 5/08/2008 17:42:08 IP: 219.89.59.119 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: I dont know if Dr. Schweitzer really said it as I lent it as is, so my apologies to him if he did not BUT like I said that just about sums up how I experienced them and that is exactly what we are witnessing right over the African continent !!! | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/08/2008 18:24:33 IP: 124.180.119.194 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: HE LIKE YOU WAS A FUCKING ARSEHOLE,he never ever knew about the BLACKS that he was with.anyone can live with any race of people and still know FUCKALL ABOUT THEM..like you Fred | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/08/2008 18:30:04 IP: 124.180.119.194 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: AND by the way,that is very old kak,and no one in this day and age regard that shit as being true and proven.LEES LEES LEES and you may get a little education,but with a VERKRAMPTE MENTALITY LIKE YOURS.it is asking the imposible,as truth has no place in a brain like yours | |
| Fred 5/08/2008 19:34:00 IP: 219.89.59.119 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: BUT you do Katools. Tell us about the black culture. Start at the bottom in SA and work your way up to Kairo and tell us why there is no development and no peace anywhere. Tell us what we are missing and how they are a benefit or advantage to us. Please tell us without swearing at us because it looks like you know something we dont Karools. | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/08/2008 19:46:49 IP: 124.180.119.194 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Tell us...NO..Sart at the bottom,why don't you,if you do you might learn something,tell us why there is no develpoement ..NO you tell us,and no peace anywhre,now that is a very silly question,SHOW WHERE IN THE WORLD THERE IS PEACE,AND i will give you the honour to come and LICK MY GAT...and tell us what is missing,that QUESTION IS SO FUCKING STUPID,HOW IN HELL DO i know what you are missing is it POES well try and find a CUNT ,IF IT WILL SATIFY YOU there are plenty of WHORES AROUND THE LAST QUESTION IS SHEER IGNORANT... sorry for shouting here and there,as it appears to me you are not only stupid.....,but deaf to | |
| GM 5/08/2008 19:49:14 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: wsa, you are using very disgusting language. I am not impressed. Why do you feel the need swear so much? | |
| Fred 5/08/2008 20:49:43 IP: 222.152.237.28 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Beacuse he hasn't got the answers THAT is why !!! | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 01:05:10 IP: 124.180.119.194 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: What answers??????????????? | |
| Fred 5/09/2008 01:40:52 IP: 122.57.141.185 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Start with the one you owe this forum from day one. The important one you have been ducking all this time. Tell us how to rule together with the black culture and still achieve developement ect. | |
| Lieberstein 5/09/2008 02:02:42 IP: 122.57.76.197 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Hard question mate | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 02:10:31 IP: 124.180.119.194 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Now that,combination of Fred,and his senseless post,and the response from his sidekick,when the two posts are as I wrote that combination,will not be accepted as a political term nor as a legal one | |
| Jayare 5/09/2008 02:39:10 IP: 196.8.104.59 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: What Dr. Albert Schweitzer said years ago still apply today. I have tried to uplift a couple that worked for me the last six months, but last week Monday I just gave up and sent them on their way. | |
| Sifiso Zuma 5/09/2008 03:48:37 IP: 196.4.141.12 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: "I have tried to uplift a couple......" JR What kind of upliftment if I may ask? " but last week Monday I just gave up and sent them on their way." What happened did they steal? | |
| eki 5/09/2008 11:39:29 IP: 98.19.67.46 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Dr Albert Schweitzer also said: “Who can describe the injustice and cruelties that in the course of centuries they [the coloured peoples] have suffered at the hands of Europeans? … If a record could be compiled of all that has happened between the white and the coloured races, it would make a book containing numbers of pages which the reader would have to turn over unread because their contents would be too horrible." Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Fred. | |
| eki 5/09/2008 11:43:36 IP: 98.19.67.46 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: He also said this: "Our culture divides people into two classes: civilized men, a title bestowed on the persons who do the classifying; and others, who have only the human form, who may perish or go to the dogs for all the "civilized men" care. “Oh, this "noble" culture of ours! It speaks so piously of human dignity and human rights and then disregards this dignity and these rights of countless millions and treads them underfoot, only because they live overseas or because their skins are of different color or because they cannot help themselves. This culture does not know how hollow and miserable and full of glib talk it is, how common it looks to those who follow it across the seas and see what it has done there, and this culture has no right to speak of personal dignity and human rights… “I will not enumerate all the crimes that have been committed under the pretext of justice. People robbed native inhabitants of their land, made slaves of them, let loose the scum of mankind upon them. Think of the atrocities that were perpetrated upon people made subservient to us, how systematically we have ruined them with our alcoholic "gifts," and everything else we have done…We decimate them, and then, by the stroke of a pen, we take their land so they have nothing left at all…" | |
| GM 5/09/2008 12:00:22 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Verkrampte call themselves "Civilized", yet they humiliated thousands of Citizens. Varkvoet was'nt even a damn South African, yet he stripped my rights to vote and told me where to live. The ONLY reason they did this, was so THEY the white's, could have it all and control the masses. I don't buy this Culture bullshit. If education was egual to all, I bet things wouldve been a lot different today. | |
| eklab 5/09/2008 15:11:53 IP: 41.242.73.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Eki, I too, like Dr Albert Schweitzer, was sympathetic early on in my dealings with blacks. Amazing how living with them for a time quickly changes ones view. What you see is Schweitzer in his early days and then after having lived in Africa for a while. Disillusionment soon sets in - as Dr Schweitzer was soon to find out. | |
| Mike 5/09/2008 15:14:42 IP: 65.114.195.189 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: First, that passage by Schweitzer has actually not even been proven to exist. They say it is supposedley in the first 1930's edition but was taken out for later additions, yet noone seems to have found factual evidence of it existing in his works. (Snopes.com) "If education was egual to all, I bet things wouldve been a lot different today." What evidence do you have that convinces you things would have been all that different? Different in which way? You can educate as many people as you like but if your government is corrupt and not willing to do anything like crime for example, that education aint going to stop your crime rates. In fact, it was found that the recent Kenya uprisings were being sparked by the educated, youths with college educations, not the uneducated street person. Some other facts. Take the US for instance where education (pre-college) is free and equal to all. Estimated 75% white 12% black population- * Almost twice as many whites in povert than blacks by number. * Yet Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. * Based on current estimations almost 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, versus 5.9% of white males. Im just presnting facts, so again, what makes you think things would be that much different? | |
| GM 5/09/2008 16:39:53 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: So what you're saying, is that it was okay that they were not allowed education because they are black and all blacks are criminals? Are we to sit here and say that with or without education the blacks would still be the same? If you could save a few, that would've been an achievement in itself. Perhaps if the coloureds were not given education, the situation would've been 10 times worse now. Then you would've been saying... "it's their Culture". No matter how you cut it. The Vark took away the privledges of the majority and it was wrong. | |
| Fred 5/09/2008 17:35:16 IP: 122.57.135.175 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: "I don't buy this Culture bullshit. If education was egual to all, I bet things wouldve been a lot different today." GM. To experience their culture and general way of thinking and doing you have to take a step down and work and mingle with them on their level. The world in general has never done that and therefor dont know what they are talking about. EDUCATION does not replace the barbarism factor in their culture and it never will. The people that govern and manage SA at the moment ARE EDUCATED PEOPLE. Most of them in government were educated abroad. Throughout Africa you will find the same thing. All the black leaders and ministers/managers/tribal learers ect ect over the entire continent ARE EDUCATED PEOPLE but nowhere you will find any meaningful developement or lasting peace or any real positive sign of it. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS CULTURE GM !!! If one spends enough quality time with them one usually explores all the possible workable silutions but one are always left with the only workable alternative. | |
| GM 5/09/2008 18:11:36 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Okay, so what if the previous government gave the blacks compulsory education and still kept them segregated like they did to the coloureds? Do you not think that the then educated blacks would've (if given a chance) been a bit different? Having jobs (even if it was in their area's) and perhaps if they were qualified to work in companies like the coloureds did (even they they would not of advanced) would that not of been a better solution? Rather than not educating them and pushing them into fenced in areas in the Cape. Remember, I'm only talking about the blacks that I have seen in the Cape. Plus a few very educated blacks (male and female) in Canada who are very decent people. I'm thinking like a Canadian who absolutely cannot fathom why people are treated so differently. We have blacks in Canada from all over the world. They excel with compulsory education and fair well in this country. Ofcourse, you do get the bad ones who are into drugs and crime. Poor white's as well. I believe it's poverty that creates this behaviour. Take the Jamaicans in Canada. Those young kids are without fathers. They mostly live with their extended families. They have many problems, so they get involved in all kinds of shyte. Then you get many other Jamaican kids from good homes that turn out fine. As far as the politicians that were educted and are corrupt...remember, they lived in SA and they experienced the negativity while they were growing up. With them it's pay back time. They have the means to do it now. I'm not saying that it's right, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. You have to get the young educated and hopefully the country will come right. I agree SA has many problems. | |
| Fred 5/09/2008 18:23:11 IP: 122.57.135.175 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Any black person that is separated from his cultural roots have a good chance to develop into a civilised being. That is what we are seeing all over the world. That was the problem that faced Verwoerd. EDUCATION WILL NOT CHANGE THEM IF THEY ARE INSIDE THEIR CULTURAL ENVIORMENT Its not something one can explain to anybody. Like I said. You have to spend quality time with them on all levels. There are more good than bad ones but culturally they are all the same. | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 18:49:43 IP: 124.180.54.210 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Fred and his type are a minority,when it comes to seeing BLACKS as a different species of humanity.It is RACISM that was instilled into their minds by the CHURCH AND THE POLITICAL SYSTEM they were born into.And also bear in mind,white society treated them the BLACKS AS INFERIOR to the WHITE man,and they never ever POLITICALLY SPEAKING had the OPPORTUNIY,to get out of CONDITIONS forced on them due to oppression,and WHITE SOCIETY KEEPING THEM DOWN BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY.And black people seldom do what Whites do,when they the Whites do not have the facilities due to either the plumbing or water supply or electricity is not available,I have seen this time after time in Suburbs and hotels and Holiday homes.I DO NOT HAVE TO NAME THE UNHYGIENIC THINGS THAT I HAVE SEEN WHITE PEOPLE DO | |
| GM 5/09/2008 21:30:48 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Freddy, the quality time you spent with the blacks was when they were at their lowest. They had no education, no good housing, no good jobs. Perhaps if you socialized with educated blacks, things would've been a lot different. You would never know because they were not educated. You have to be around 40 something years old, right? Not nearly enuf time to see the next generation that gets educated. I'm sure you will be surprised at the difference. I've had two glasses of red wine, I hope I'm making sense to you....."hic" lol | |
| Good Manners Police 5/09/2008 21:37:45 IP: 72.39.58.177 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: For a change some good exchanges of different opinions, and only one anal sphintcer using four letter words. | |
| GM 5/09/2008 21:55:09 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: ag, give the old codger a break, he is trying to contain his language:-) He geta an A for effort from moi. | |
| Pam 5/09/2008 22:08:44 IP: 72.39.58.177 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: An interesting thread and minimal foul language - it was nice to read most people's comments. | |
| Good Manners Police 5/09/2008 22:10:52 IP: 72.39.58.177 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: I think I shall hand you my policeman's kit (handcuffs, knobkirrie, tongue extractor, finger guillotine) to keep this site on a level plane. | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 22:15:16 IP: 124.180.54.210 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: GM.that ANAL SPHINTCER..by good manners,is as bad as me swearing.so here she goes...........CHECK YOUR MOTHERS ARSE OR GAT and you shall find it there | |
| Mike 5/09/2008 22:16:20 IP: 71.237.47.56 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: No GM, dont get me wrong, I think a better job should have been done about that. And of course for many they would have been better off with better educations, however, it is the rotten minority in African countries, aided by the governments that have a bigger impact on living standards in a country. So yes, individuals may have been better off, but would SA as a country in terms of living conditions really have been better off? And I used those US stats to show that there is a strong likelihood, that there would still have been enough rotten apples to spoil SA as a country to live in. Maybe you were talking from individuals standpoints versus a country, of which I can agree, | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 22:19:21 IP: 124.180.54.210 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: GM.....so AG... give the old CODGER A BREAK,BUT I will refrain from telling you in my way just what I THINK OF YOU AND THAT QUOTE | |
| GM 5/09/2008 22:29:48 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Go right ahead and tell me. Don't hold anything back. | |
| waresuidafrikaner 5/09/2008 22:29:51 IP: 124.180.54.210 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Jayare...there are some SUPPOSED TO BE white South Africans,who are no different | |
| Blackhawk 5/10/2008 11:49:40 IP: 212.138.47.19 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Fred your postings are ....to be frank, utter rubbish! Your views reek of ignorance,being fed on propaganda in the past and still believing it now proves to all and sundry that you haven't progressed at all! South Africa would have been a strong united country,if it wasn't for that motherfucker VW! THATS THE TRUTH! | |
| Eklab 5/10/2008 12:19:06 IP: 41.242.73.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Why, Oh why, oh why, do so many think that the whites should have provided education for the blacks? Who taught us whites? It is not coincidence that blacks have invented absolutely nothing to date(not even a wheel). Why could they not have done what all other nations did and educate themselves? Apartheid never legislated against thinking and apartheid never stopped the black man from thinking - the truth is the black man doesn't do much of that! I go to book shops regularly and the only black person I see is the one sweeping the floor! Picture the scene :- Jan Van Riebeeck arrives at the Cape and promptly builds 4800 schools and boats in three hunded leagues of teachers (edukatuhs). Ag man get real!! .......and of course Dr Schweitzer is quoted correctly. It is common knowledge that todays scholars deliberately sanitize and censor anything remotely racist (Ask the authors of "The Bell Curve"). I was the one who posted this quote under another thread as Fred says and I remember this quote which my mother (who read extensively) recited to me some twenty or more years ago!! | |
| GM 5/10/2008 14:01:19 IP: 67.70.21.195 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: "Why, oh why, oh why, do so many think that whites should've provided education for the blacks" Because who ever is running the country, has to make sure that every citizen is entittled to an education regardless of colour. That is every citizens right. | |
| EKLAB 5/10/2008 17:24:59 IP: 41.242.73.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: GM - That does not snswer the question at all. What I am raising is that it is commonly held that one of the ways that whites oppressed blacks was to withold a first world education from them. Blacks talk about 300 years of oppression which means Jan Van Riebeeck landed at the Cape and there was an expectation on him and his Settlers to start a black education programme. It has nothing to do with who was running the country as it was only in 1910 that South Africa became a single entity. When Shaka Zulu sat in his kraal north of the Umgeni the fact that he didn't have an education program for his people suddenly becomes the white man's problem. | |
| Nostradamus 5/10/2008 17:27:07 IP: 151.213.181.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Blacks and the African Mountain Gorrillas share many genes. Explains a lot. | |
| fred 5/10/2008 19:19:28 IP: 219.89.98.235 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: "Because who ever is running the country, has to make sure that every citizen is entitled to an education" That takes us right back to the original reason for apartheid. (Everybody must remember that apartheid wasn't built on hatred. It initially started out as the only viable means to accommodate both cultures. It only turned sour when the black culture did not do their share). The Nats gave them their own land and even built some schools and provided millions and millions more lied in waiting for if they did took on the challenge of developing themselves. THEY DIDN'T. They preferred to take the parasitic route which they still are doing today !!! | |
| Blackhawk 5/11/2008 07:44:08 IP: 212.138.47.19 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: EKLABrador....whats your point? You cannot even prove what you are saying....such twak you posting ,its irrelevant...! In Shaka's time there weren't any schools,the kids of those times were taught the rudimentaries of war,the art of killing!Thats why that asshole got fucked up at Blood River!! And its a known fact that whites held back the blacks from good education! Why are there poor whites?...ITs because they are fucking stupid!they were propped up by the apartheid government....cronism at its worst!! Contradict this...! | |
| EKLAB 5/11/2008 12:53:08 IP: 41.242.73.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Black HAW K..... In Shaka's time who educated the whites in South Africa? The fairies?? No the adults educated their children themselves. You say "In Shaka's time there weren't any schools,the kids of those times were taught the rudimentaries of war,the art of killing!Thats why that asshole got fucked up at Blood River!!" So if the blacks didn't teach their children they have themselves to blame. Cetshwayo defeated the British at Isandlwana in 1879. At this time Zulu and European lived separate lives so one can safely assume that any education programme initiated by the Europeans could hardly be passed on to the Zulu simply because educating people whilst being at war with them is impossible. So we know that any education of black Zulus would have to have come for the Zulus themselves. If the Zulu was not teaching their children all about reading, writing and arithmetic (and you admit they were not) at this time the fault rests directly with them. In 1910 South Africa became a Union and the South African nation then effectively became "one". So after 1910 the whites by default had the enormous and impossible task of taking a spear throwing tribe of savages and giving them a "short course" in order to bring them up to first world standards - impossible. This onerous task befell the white colonialists simply because the black Zulu had not a single programme in education to pass down from mother to child prior to the Union. Question answered and proved QED! | |
| Blackhawk 5/11/2008 13:25:35 IP: 212.138.47.14 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Then again if Jan and his ilk never put foot on African soil none of this would have taken place! There was no need for them to be educated in the first place,the education was seen to "civilise" them according to european thinking. "Short courses" weren't useful as it only satisfied the masters,superficial and rather pathetic as it defeated the purpose. Hence there was no need as you put it to pass from mother to child....it was not in their culture! It then proves the point that western "civilised" people tried to force upon the african their own,which will never and has never worked. Contradict this....? | |
| EKLAB 5/11/2008 14:12:09 IP: 41.242.73.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Well, well. We agree. I wish my forefathers had never come to this God forsaken place called Africa and Black Africa wishes they hadn't come too. The fact is my forefathers did come and that is not of my making and it cannot be my fault. You agree that Black Africa was uneducated and would be happy staying that way. Fine - so let's stop trying to educate them! Western civilisatioon never tried to force anything upon anyone. (Verwoord and apartheid is proof of this). When Jan Van Riebeck landed at the Cape in 1652 there were a few tribal dwellers there of san and koisan origin - NOT a Zulu or Xhosa in sight. The world has evolved through migration and to simply say...."well that is all fine BUT for the migration to Africa" is superficial in the extreme. Consider that human life has it's origins in Africa some left here in the first place. I agree that Black Africa will not civilize itself in our lifetime. Maybe the non blacks can have the Western Cape and the rest for Black Africa. What do you think? | |
| Snowy Smith 5/11/2008 15:27:53 IP: 196.207.35.245 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you." - Dr. Albert Schweitzer Hendrik told us long ago. A Real Man Hendrik Frensch Verwoerd | |
| Snowy Smith 5/11/2008 15:47:46 IP: 196.207.35.245 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: In today’s Pretoria news Mbeki weeps because people don't respect blacks. He wants them to be respected as Africans. Cadnb said... President Thabo Mbeki to be treated with respect you have to earn that respect. Crime, Murder, Theft, Fraud, Corruption, Bribery, Farm Genocide EVERYWHERE. To be treated with respect you have to earn that respect. ANC Comrade South African president Thabo Mbeki has been using his usual Very Quiet Diplomacy with all the Black Criminals, Black Rapists, and Black Murderers in South Africa. Very Quiet Diplomacy with all the Black Murderers who are torturing and brutally murdering the White Farmers in South Africa. He is in DENIAL. “There is NO Crime Problem in South Africa” He is Delusional. We have the Highest Crime Rate in the World. President Thabo Mbeki you need to go on TV and tell all the CRIMINALS in South Africa to STOP all the MURDERS and other crimes. Then YOU may get some respect. | |
| Fred 5/11/2008 16:22:27 IP: 122.57.141.52 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: That is the thing with the black culture all over the continent Snowy. THEY WANT EVERYTHING and they see it as their natural right. They WANT respect........??? MY ASS............!!! | |
| david 5/11/2008 18:41:20 IP: 24.150.118.70 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: We need more people like you. David, http://ArmyVOICE.com/927221 | |
| Nostradamus 5/11/2008 19:23:50 IP: 151.213.181.140 | RE: The REAL truth........! Message: When it comes to Africa, especially Bantustan, there is no such word as the truth. Just variations in lies. Baboons have not evolved that far. Perhaps in another few million years. Who knows. | |
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